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“My sweetheart’s piano is rat-filled and mine is infested with bugs”
I still seriously can’t draw hair so I would appreciate any advice or suggestions
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The absolute best thing about the fab 5 is literally any ship pairing is acceptable except for exactly one (1) and we all know which one it is
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Dick/Roy 100% in love with feed it to me, inject me with this (lowkey my favorite ship please put recs in the comments im dying for some good angst/comfort)
Dick/Wally adorkable my babies I love them (no need for fic recs I have plenty)
Dick/ Garth omglookitsocuteandperfect (recs recs recs recs)
Roy/Donna GAG ME WITH THIS SHIP OH MY GOD YES (RECS RECS RECS RECS RECs)
Roy/Wally oooohhhh there are so many interesting things you can do with this dynamic (please we argue and then go fuck in the closet vibes - not hate sex but we are competing for the same person and getting nowhere might as well)
Roy/Garth UGHHH ESPECIALLY AFTER ALL THE SHIT STIRRING IN THE EARLY 2000s??? AND THE WAY THAT ROY WAS A LIL SHIT TO BABY GARTH OMG IT COULD SO WORK
Wally/Donna omg adorable, cute, sweet, Donna would beat the sexism out of teen Wally sokka/suki style tell me I’m wrong.
Wally/Garth cutesy, demure, they could geek out together, my lil ones together, they’d do gardening for fun trust me.
Garth/Donna omg iconic, cute, they fit so well together, the responsibilities? The fish out of water bonding. PEAK FICTION
Donna/Dick: ….ew no
Dick Grayson ships in order of how toxic you should write them as adults in an established relationship imo (no batcest and we can discuss the harem at a later time)
Least
Dick X Wally: this is the quintessential friends to lovers story it’s adorable. Naturally a lil bit of toxicity bc nightwing is not a healthy person but still the ratio is 99% cute and 1% angst as adults. Feel free to angst away with the Robin/KF thing
Worlds where this is cute: young justice, earth prime pre Wally meeting Linda.
Dick X Kori: listen to me, if you ignore all the shitty writing (yes the babs wedding thing) they r perfect <3. The only person who I believe can be the lights light ya know. The broke up because they both took hits they couldn’t recover from but they still love each other and they’re my favorite canon pairing they should get back together and have a kid and be a cute lil family.
Worlds where this is cute: TT, Earth prime, DCAU, injustice, titans tomorrow, Lego Batman (every single earth actually)
Dick X Zatanna: cute, childhood crush turned sweethearts turned friends nothing to say here I just don’t think it would be toxic
Worlds where this is cute: young justice
Worlds where this should never happen: all the rest (she dated his dad)
Dick X Joey: I love them so I’m biased their relationship is on par with Dick and Wally taking field trips in the 80s. Also this is joeys most popular ship and that makes me laugh. BUT ANYWAY they’re just very homoerotic and I feel like they respect each other enough the toxicity would be on the lower side.
Worlds where this is cute: literally anytime before he possesses his dad’s body.
Times this is concerning: post possessing nightwings body (anyone remember that happening I just ignore it now, cuz I hate the whole evil Joey thing but if you wanna take this ship from 30% toxic to 140% write it post possession with the dude who had autonomy issues)
Dick x Kara: I just feel like the hero worship would get in the way a little bit
Worlds where this is cute: worlds finest
Worlds where this isn’t: the rest
Dick x Roy: I love them sm ur honor (despite how low I’m putting this, it’s one one my top ships) listen Dick and Roy adore each other and would die for each other, but the baggage?? The years of expectations?? The fights??? The fact that Dick gets more and more closed off when he’s mad usually but him and Roy in the same room and fists fly?? But the only people who can talk to Dick when he’s spiraling are Roy and Donna. Like ROY HARPER is one of Dick people!! You don’t understand how much I love how they can hurt each other while loving each other so so so much. They cause me pain. I don’t believe they’d ever mellow out Dick and Wally tho bc they’re whole relationship is heated they have never had a chill emotion about each other in their history of being characters that exist in the same space.
Worlds where this is cute: literally any world where the titans exist/have existed with speedy and Robin as core members
Worlds where no?: new 52 (I hate new 52 and ignore it tho so no universe sucks bc new 52 isn’t real and can’t hurt me)
Dick X Harley Quinn: see I hated this ship and I hate it in canon but I once read a fic that was good enough I now ship it on the dl and think it would be good for Harley to be with someone who can be a safety net. But like this is AU rare pair type shit and it’s low bc I literally cannot picture a canon universe where this isn’t the most toxic thing ever.
Worlds where yes: DCAU (AU) not even the canon one like the AU of the AU that is the DCAU (take a shot Everytime I say AU)
Dick X Shawn Tsang: I’m sorry yall Shawn was such a boring character I forgot she existed but I remember that she broke up with him after he lost his memory cuz she thought he was ghosting her and like not only does it feel like she just existed to give dick a love interest. Also this comic featured the character death wing and so it’s so low not bc the ship sucks except it does bc why dick?? Are you dating someone who hates heroes?? Why r u like this??? Stopppp but also bc imo the ship has a white bread type of content that is toxic to me personally and that’s more important.
Dick x Bea Bennet: I loved them sm in the beginning, best part of the Ric Grayson arc and then they added the spyral ties and made her a pirate and tbh that ruined it for me. Dick and Bea only work as a cute relationship if Bea is a way out or a window into the outside world like something to ground the man who is always trying to get his feet off the ground. It would be interesting. But now she’s just another another relationship where he didn’t know who he was dating and tbh I don’t think he’d be down for that post literally everything that’s ever happened to him romantically after the age of 16
Dick Babs: yes it’s this low, no I will not change it. It should be lower but I used to ship this so it’s only my fond memories keeping it this high. Babs slept with his father after dating him in at least 2 universes. Dick left Gotham for freedom and she quite literally drags him back Everytime they’re together it feels like about 30 years of Dicks character development is erased. And let’s not talk about Barbara used to be a congress woman Gordon. They deaged her to make her a decent love interest for someone who was a kid when she was running for congress. And because of the fact their characters don’t naturally balance out the way some of his other canon ships do (Bea, Shawn, KORI(the best canon ship imo), hell even Helena) it leads to the characters becoming flanderizations of themselves. Dick is a loveable himbo whose only defining characteristic is his ass and I hate to say it Barbara Gordon literally just turns into female Bruce and I hate it so much but genuinely read though some of their older stuff it’s like..ugh. Anyway I hate this ship I think it’s bad for both of them and while I’m not babs biggest fan I still like her and she and Dick should be best friends who get drunk on weekends and shit talk the bats and their respective teams (titans, birds of pray)
Dick X Helena bertinelli: yall wtf is this ship, if this is your main ship? Why? Tell me? Like what?? Helena??? Esp prime earth Helena?? He has more chemistry with midnighter than her (but we are not discussing the harem so I will remain silent)
Now the most toxic ship that isn’t incestuous is so obvious bc no one has ever pictured this ship with a modicum of health in it except its creator (derogatory) I’m 99% sure every single fic tagged this also has the domestic violence tag
Dick X Catalina Flores. Yeah no a billion times no this shit is so toxic the jack Napier fell into it and became the joker. This shit so toxic it only serves as a trauma boat for another person to swoop in and get him out I hate this so much.
Now dick is an old character so he has about a billion other relationships. But these are either the recent ones (Shawn, Bea) or the ones that have a lot of ao3 clout (birdflash) or something that makes my heart soft (dick and Joey) plus his most iconic 2 pairing I will not be getting into characters like Daphne, Clancy or Betty or anything else or the creepy ones like the fact he’s had shit with both catwoman and taila.
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roy for @/bluesbats :D
Hey Can some one tell e what Roy Harper’s personality is actually supposed to be like? ‘Cause the three versions I’m familiar with are Arrow (tv series), Young Justice (cartoon), and RHATO (new 52). And those are just wildly different character. I don’t know what to do with this guy.
So this is a thing I come back to over and over again when I’m writing Roy, and for me it’s a super crucial aspect of his character, and one of his biggest stumbling blocks in relationships.
Roy is a Good Little Extrovert, right? He’s charming and flirty and very very good at faking being okay, so it’s easy to miss the ways in which he falls into his own unhealthy patterns. (Especially because he tends to fall into them with people who have a vested interest in believing him when he lies and says he’s okay.)
You can trace Roy’s abandonment issues pretty clearly and consistently through his canon from “Snowbirds Don’t Fly” on, but there are three moments in particular that for me, really inform how he reacts to feeling abandoned, and why: the detox flashback in the Arsenal miniseries, his breakup with Donna in Titans ‘99, and his breakup with Jason in RH/A.
So! Arsenal #1!
This is the only time Roy ever says the inside thoughts out loud, and naturally it’s when he’s at his lowest possible point. (We do not speak of Cry for Justice or Rise of Arsenal in this space.) And yes, he’s a teenager, and yes, he’s detoxing, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true, and that doesn’t mean the feelings will ever fully go away. There’s a part of Roy that will always believe that he is fundamentally unlovable and deserves to be left. That no one will ever stay, because no one ever has. (It probably doesn’t help that not only did both of his fathers die, they did so by charging in to meet death head-first - Ollie specifically after Roy asked him not to.)
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I just realized the girls vs boys ratio in the arrowfamily and I'm in shock-
Girls:
Dinah
Emiko
Sienna
Lian
Mia
Cissie
Jade (yes she counts).
+ Artemis in young justice. She's also very popular arrowfamily character.
I think Sin also counts as arrowfamily but I'm not sure.
So 7-9 girls depends on how you count.
Boys:
Oliver
Roy
Connor
And that's it???
I'm currently hyperfocusing on Lian so I started to think about the arrowfamily and I realized it.
That's so different from the batfamily where the female characters often don't get enough attention and are treated horribly.
World Finest: Teen Titans issue # 5
Richard. John. Grayson. I know u did NOT just make Wally cry....right?
Omg yes! They have such an adorable dynamic that balances each other out. It honestly is such a nice detail Dc added by showing just how close Wally and Dick are.
Especially because in the comics as kids Wally and Dick were always very close. Especially when on the same team like the Teen Titans.
And in the new Teen Titans: World Finest Mark Waid does a good example of showing this when Dick sends in Roy, Garth, and Donna on a mission where a Meta is having a breakdown and causing a mass hallucination of how she feels.
Dick sends in Roy to deal with the meta human despite knowing he only has arrows and the meta humans power messes with you on a phycological level. He does this so that Wally can go with him, which, lets be honest, wasn't a very smart move.
As expected Roy ends up taking the hard blunt of things because, lets be honest, Dick should've sent in Wally. I mean Roy literally only has arrows.
And I'm not saying Roy can't handle himself he obviously can. But strategic wise it would have been smarter to send Wally in whose a meta himself.
Dick didn't do that for the simple fact he just wanted Wally near him. He also didn't want Roy around him as much because they got some tension going on but thats beside the point.
The point is, Dick doesn't just do this in this comic run but also would do it all the time in past comics as well. He would choose Wally to go with him places even when it would be smarter to send him with other memebers of the group/team simply because he just wanted to be with Wally.
Rewatching the first few episodes of Young Justice, and this is kinda birdflash kinda not (you can absolutely take it as them just being besties), but Wally grabbing Robin’s utility belt when Dick uses it in CADMUS, so Wally doesn’t get left behind is SO cute to me. Dick is just minding his business, being one half of the dynamic duo who doesn’t play well on teams, but then there’s Wally who is so clearly repeatedly saying “if you’re going, I’m going” by sticking close to Robin. Dick isn’t thinking about the others, but Wally is SO prepared for Robin’s next movements, and it speaks to such an amazing friendship and partnership in the field😭I miss them so much - they were never the same again after the 5 year time skip what HAPPENED to THIS version of them goddammit
My Favorite Characters (Jerome and Speedy) and Favorite Relationship (rival friends) 🔥🔥
And looking at the two characters and the interaction, they reminded me of Jett and Jerome.
Actually, these two characters: Speedy and Happy.
Speedy reminds me of Jerome, he also has this craving for constant competition with others, and basically likes to draw attention to himself, lol. 😼👊
Happy reminds me of Jett.
And he's the main character by the way, just like Jett, lol.
Happy is kind and naive, Jett is essentially the same, only it seems to me that he is more naive than Jett, huh. 🦅
And as for the relationship... Well, Jerome and Jett often compete amicably with each other, Speedy and Happy do the same. 🐸